@limilicious: I think it was linked to his time limit or some such, he didn't go SSJ 3 cause otherwise he would have ran out of time...or something. Too much candy: Man dies from eating black licorice. if Goku is fueled by courage and stong will to win, Vegeta is also fueled with arrongance and warrior's pride, he won't give up easily. Granted he slacked off and Vegeta trained, but still, it proves my point. Yeah, the situations were completely different but the results still speak for something. EP 69 Goku vs. Arale! But because Goku does have instant transmission, he has the ability to dodge attacks easier than Vegeta does and can surprise attack Vegeta. Vegeta - Height: 5″6 Weight: 123 lbs Noticeable Features: Large, Spikey, and Black Widows Peak Hair, Muscular, Battle Armor. However Goku is a genius in fighting and will observe and adapt during the entire Fight. a less powerful character managing to hit someone when he gets angry and surprises the someone). 13:20 is just another hint at Goku's hidden power that Vegeta's always been baffled over. Comparing 'SSJ2' to SSJ3 is out of the question to even argue about Vegeta suppose superiority on BotG (which isnt even cannon), when the rest of the sayans (including Vegeta) choose Goku to become the SSG anyway. As a fan of both, though far longer for the Dragon Ball franchise, Specter hands down. But the point I am trying to make is , Vegeta was always pretty much self-taught when it came to combat, he is very limited on developing new technique which is why he never attained SSJ3. It is a good showing because it showed his attacks surpass Goku's atmospheric sense. Thus, in order for your arguments to hold more weight than they do, Vegeta would have to be Goku's clear superior. Vegeta, as an ssj1, was more powerful or just as powerful as ssj2 Gohan. Goku vs Vegeta = Goku lost, was out of the battle. But even that wasn't on fair grounds really, since Vegeta still had his tail while Goku didn't. But he didn't and with equal power at SSJ2, they were even until Vegeta tricked him and knocked him out.So, over all, Vegeta shows greater historic feats against Goku.Thus he would win the fair fight. Hundreds of retired generals and admirals back Biden in Dragonball Z, fights lost their technicity, they become more a race of power, strength and speed, the element of surprise and new techniques was lost and no more used. I think the only difference between them is their attitude. But that transformation showed him really exhausted and worn out. 5.95% (10 votes) 10. But even that wasn't on fair grounds really, since Vegeta still had his tail while Goku didn't. Considering in their last encounter, Vegeta was completely blood lusted and amped by Babidi, to what degree is uncertain but taking into consideration both Spopovich and Yamu where amped quite a bit, one can come to the conclusion that Vegeta was as well, finishing a fight with a cheap shot to a opponent who has his back turned can hardly be considered a good showing or taken as a victory given he was obviously going for the kill but was unable to do so with a opponent who unlike himself wasn't blood lusted or amped by outside sources, and didn't want to fight in the first place. They are equal skilled, talented, most elite saiyajin warriors. Goku never even pulled out kk on Broly, and Vegeta never went evo. If they are even is power level and such, Vegeta should win.Vegeta has beaten Goku every time they have fought. Even with all the interference from Gohan and crew, Vegeta was still able to move his body whereas Goku was so beaten up he could barely smile. Can Goku easily defeat Batman or will Batman find a way to outclass Goku? Vegeta would have killed him if it were not for his Gohan, Krillin, and the fat guy jumping in. in Buu saga Vegeta admits he is better than him. And, I don't know if you know or not, but (apparently) Toriyama was not a big fan of the multipliers or power levels beyond the end of the namek saga. Vegeta would have killed Goku regardless if it wasn't for outside help. Who would (WIN) jiren (FULL POWERD) & vegeta (ULTRA BLUE)vs goku (ULTRA INSTINCT) & broly (FULL POWERD) Who would (WIN) jiren (FULL POWERD) & vegeta (ULTRA BLUE)vs goku (ULTRA INSTINCT) & broly (FULL POWERD) Created by Deathstroke4U, 1 y 8 mo 28 d ago. Goku should really always win. Just because Goku is a super saiyan 3 does not mean he is 4 times stronger than super saiyan 2 Vegeta. While vegeta always rely on his raw talent until goku came, where he push his body to the limit. Anonymous. I was referring to ultimate gohan :D. @reaverlation: i couldnt agree more but i think u went a little too far..ultimate gohan is undoubtedly the strongest individual in dbz but i thnk theres not that big of a difference between ultimate gohan and ssj 3 goku.. @galvador: yes there is.SSJ3 Goku isn't near Gohan in power. Vegeta even killed him before the fight started lol. 1st time: Vegeta clearly would have legitimately beat Goku….had it not been for Yajirobe cutting off his tail, or Gohan and Krillen messing around with the spirit bomb. @darthaznable: This is Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku I'm talking about. As mentioned before by others on this thread, by the time Vegeta and Nappa arrived on Earth, they had been in numerous battles all throughout the stars picking up valuable combat experience. Will the favorite son of Krypton, Superman (Repped by James) find the strength of an Octillion Megaton blast is enough to defeat the Super Saiyan Goku (Repped by Ray) or will the favorite son of the planet Vegeta win … 90%, 75%? They were both fighting at their full, but yes obviously Vegeta wanted the win more, considering the fact that he was winning the fight. Even if power levels are equalized, Goku has still shown to be faster than Vegeta. Goku spent a very long time in SSJ so I believe he could be better at energy conservation and is able to use it to its full extent more effectively. It was a joke. Goku on the other hand, is ALWAYS willing to go all out, up to and including the point of death to defeat whoever is standing in front of him. Not even once? SSJ2 Post Zeta Gohan>=SSJ2 Goku(this one is iffy but most likely Gohan), yea ure right. How so? Taking all of that into consideration, it would seem as if Goku had the better showing and would be shown superior, overall and given the OP circumstances. You're basically saying that because Vegeta was stronger in that fight, he had an unfair advantage. Ok, but that reasoning is unfair since Vegeta never even had a chance to become the SSG, right? Why Vegeta couldnt achieve SSJ3? Battle. Answer Save. During Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku’s duel, Geets makes a comment that Goku … Everyone seems to forget that Goku is also a genius at battle strategy. Goku was named Kakarot at birth. Why would Goku decide to go easy on him then? Vegeta won the 1st battle, 2nd was a draw. Round 1: Prime Madara vs Prime Vegeta (Can't turn into Super Saiyan) Round 2: Madara Sage of Six Paths vs Super Saiyan Vegeta. Much higher than base Gogeta. And he had been training since he was born, destroying planets and working for freeza. User Info: Engorgio. Goku is overall just a smarter and better fighter. Especially if his friends, family, or his adopted planet of Earth is in danger. Because I'm sure there power increase when the die and get close to death. I don't recall anyone winning that fight? They're top tier in strength, speed, energy blasts, and durability, but they're going up against people who are top tier in those categories but also have matter manipulation, magic, mind powers, etc. but i would like to see vegeta win one. Goku begins his battle to the death with Duplicate Vegeta, and they turn out to be evenly matched. This is the same buu that Gohan was throwing around like a rag doll. Goku always has help, as he does in all his fights. Goku even defeated people stronger than him, while vegeta always losed if they have more power level. Even with all the interference from Gohan and crew, Vegeta was still able to move his body whereas Goku was so beaten up he could barely smile. There is no minimum PL you have to reach in order to transform. 2nd time: They both kind of 'cheated' in this fight. Gohan couldn't even defeat Cell without Goku having his hand in it somehow. , the anime rivalry of the century! Hell he can became more then 2 time stronger then vageta while thinking all the time(Rost.gohan even stated it). If they are even is power level and such, Vegeta should win. The Hulk's power continues to grow the more hurt and angry he is, so by amping up his power Goku … The most talked about VS battle of all time finally gets its day in the sun on this show. Goku and Vegeta are very strong and it wouldn't be easy to break them down emotionally by the use of telepathy but Galactus and Silver Surfer won't race unless they try it out. Now that all continuities became 1 who would win Goku starts in MUI Flash starts at top speed If it’s a stomp in anybody’s favor goku gets vegeta … Press J to jump to the feed. And yes, it is an unfair advantage. The most modern version of the characters apply. Goku and Vegeta . And even so…Vegeta did 'technically' win this fight…. I have to assume Goku has had more combat training and experience, even if only a little. goku 4 sure, even tho vegeta fights dirty, he loses control way to easy, goku gets even more powered up at the prospect of a challange. So, why couldn't Vegeta just have become more powerful than Goku in BotG?? I don't see it that way. It's not unfair to be better or stronger than you're opponent. Vegeta starts getting frustrated that Duplicate Vegeta is failing to dodge certain attacks and begins cheering for his clone when he knocks Goku away. The Saiyan Prince, in particular, cannot stand Goku … That's why we've ranked Vegeta … Goku vs Vegeta was an epic fight! And I think it's pretty well-known that Dragon Ball was never known for its power level consistency, with multiple examples of someone weaker beating the crap out of someone stronger (that also had beaten the crap of someone else that is also stronger), even if is just by a few seconds - like Vegeta did with Bills. Each Saiyan had their time to shine. Therefor I think goku would beat vegeta in a fair fight. Goku is the only one with the unique ability between the two. 0 0. This is a battle where the most skilled and better fighter wins so I am going with Goku. And while all that is happening, the opponent tries to take the boxer out. I don't recall anyone winning that fight? 1 decade ago. Vegeta 'technically' won it since Goku ended up knocked out in the end. @buttersdaman000: The instance regarding Vegeta doing better than Goku against Bills is something I find to be utterly ridiculous and full of PIS/bad writing. Duplicate Vegeta fires a barrage of energy blasts at Goku, who manages to block them. Vegeta should be miles stronger than goku in their first fight and on par with zarbon and dodoria. Both trained at their best, and they are around equal in SSJ2. goku/vegeta vs naruto/sasuke?who will win? Furthermore, King Kai even stressed how dangerous Bills was. Trunks notices that Vegeta's ki is disappearing, and quickly flies to him, and Goten follows. Dragon Ball always had this moments, and it was never meant to imply a character was stronger than someone. Vegeta doesn't hold back and is pretty ruthless. If you had two wrestlers facing each other in a match, it wouldn't exactly be 'unfair' if one was vastly better. How is Goku being dead 'cheating'? Overall Earth wins, Goku stated that he would beat Vegeta next time, giving Vegeta the win but in Vegeta's mind, he still lost to Goku. Which 18 is obviously stronger than. ( 9/10 for Goku). The next movie might shed better light on the whole situation. I always figured it was a toss up, either or depending on who is having the better day. @limilicious: him going SSJ3 to the kids is filler just a heads up. @thc said: "Goku also has a taskmaster-like fighting ability that allows him to hang with literally any fighter he's ever encountered, at least in terms of skill.". It would be nice if they showed more of vegeta when he was a kid. Goku explained that in the buu saga. It never told about which one is preferred by Vegeta, but with his higher initial PL, he probably learned how to fly very soon, so fighting only on ground would be a little restriction to him. He will always beat the villain. Now, in regards to the fight with Bills, Super Saiyan 3 is simply much more powerful than a Super Saiyan 2 can ever be. Vegeta 'technically' won it since Goku ended up knocked out in the end. Since Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta just dropped on DBZ Dokkan Battle, I thought we could see who would win in a best out of 3 on DBZ Devolution! Goku just has too many ways to deal with Vegeta. I'd say Goku will be barley alive after the fight but takes the majority. It is a potential advantage they can use. Just because Vegeta was more powerful than Goku, or had a 'tool' that he didn't have does not make the fight unfair. Goku is obviously stronger due to absorbing SSJG, and Vegeta is stronger with the rage boost. 4 years ago. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was destroyed by Bills, and needed (help) to go Super Saiyan god. Every form Vegeta achieved, Goku also achieved it as well. (Manga) Frieza was completely stomped by Goku after he turned Super Saiyan, now it's unfair. You're missing the underlying fact that Vegeta only had to flee because he was jumped by 3 other warriors. Look at Gohan to affirm this. I don't see any reason not. However, it is unfair to have outside help in a one on one match which is exactly what Goku had. Yet Vegeta in a weaker form and weaker power level overall manages to last longer than Goku does in a much more powerful form. Vegeta did not, however, lose his desire for greater power – and is in fact motivated to train so he can surpass Goku in power. On the flipside, Vegeta defeating Moro ignores the Ultra Instinct … It's not really unfair that Vegeta had his tail. I know this fight is only taking them as they were at the end of Z, but in BotG, Vegeta showed a clear superiority over Goku. SSB Goku vs. SSJ4 Goku would most likely be a draw. It's iffy. The logic with the knife is more like using something that's powerful and not a part of you. 7 0. in Buu saga Vegeta admits he is better than him. I totally agree with this statement. Vegeta tells Goku that he cannot beat him with attacks like that, as Duplicate Vegeta aggressively pushes Goku back. So with Vegeta having the ability to multiply his power level by 10 due to his ability to turn into a Great Ape is actually really similar with Goku's ability to double, triple, quadruple, etc his power level due to him knowing this skill called Kaio-Ken. He had one tool that they both should have. Goku is simply too powerful. To what degree for either, we are uncertain, what we are certain of is that they were equals. this is a fight to death, with both sides bloodlusted right? a less powerful character managing to hit someone when he gets angry and surprises the someone). Although Vegeta can get a ass kicking. @omnicrono: I wouldn't say more like a lot but so slightly.IIRC Piccolo has said Vegeta is a better fighter but I'm blurry on it.Honestly this battle is answered by SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight.Can go either way. Goku is really tenacious and Vegeta is too stubborn and proud to give up so it would be a really long and bloody fight. That's a fact. Goku won first, the second was a draw. Goku VS Vegeta Battle:Equal Power Levels.End of DBZ for both.Both at SSJ Full Power, neither can ascend/descend.Morals on, b Maybe I'm wrong, but I do believe this was stated/shown/observed multiple times on DB/DBZ/DBGT. LOL, Vegeta is always living in Goku's shadow. It's a part of his power set, like a transformation into a super saiyan. But, like I said above, this is just my opinion and we have no way of really verifying its veracity. He didn't 'prep' himself to fight Goku at all. S 1 EP46TV-14 = Requires a cable provider login. Be it his family or … This was the whole "different situations" thing, that you even admitted. Add photo 1 Intro 2 Intro 3 Goku 4 Vegeta 5 Naruto 6 Sasuke 7 Death Battle! 7 Goku And Vegeta… © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Vegeta has beaten Goku every time they have fought. 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Goku 4 Batman 5 Intermission 6 Fight 7 Conclusion Season 1, Episode 3!! The other sayains do the same to gohan. In the end, Vegeta admits that Goku better than him. It's collecting the energy from the surrounding life force and it's also really powerful. It's a technique that is used by Goku but you can think of it as the boxer tells the opponent that the boxer is going to grab a knife then runs outside the ring and charges into the locker room to grab a knife and runs back to the ring to fight against the opponent. The number of times Vegeta, Gohan, and Goku have stepped up in dire situations and found a completely new transformation to outfox the enemy is hilarious. All i'm saying is that he fared much better against Bills under his own power than the, supposedly, superior Goku did. It is a good showing because it showed his attacks surpass Goku's atmospheric sense. And Nappa was no help at all. Source(s): https://shorte.im/a8Pzn. Vegeta would have killed Goku regardless if it wasn't for outside help. And handling offworld planetary missions that frieza's elite force had difficulty. Can anyone else who has seen this movie either confirm or deny the claim below? Trunksre… I mean like at the end of gt, when they both went ssj4. And even so…Vegeta did 'technically' win this fight…. Supreme Kai vs Cooler - Supreme kai, no question at all, when vegeta says "sounds like majin buu would make a good saiyan" supreme kai mentions that the four supreme kais couldn't stop him, and that each … Then Vegeta goes on to make Bills work for his win a little and completely blows the multipliers out of the water. And, I don't know what you mean by the rest. True, Dragon Ball Z is notorious for inconsistency but I don't think this applies. Naruto enacts his Sage Mode and sends various shadow clones running at Goku with each clone holding a Rasengan. Will the favorite son of Krypton, Superman (Repped by James) find the strength of an Octillion Megaton blast is enough to defeat the Super Saiyan Goku (Repped by Ray) or will the favorite son of the planet Vegeta win … But if this was turned off he would be the greatest sayian warrior. so determination can't give us a clue of who could win. Vegeta admitting Goku is the number one, was a filler, but I think it sum it up well. Comparing 'SSJ2' to SSJ3 is out of the question to even argue about Vegeta suppose superiority on BotG (which isnt even cannon), when the rest of the sayans (including Vegeta) choose Goku to become the SSG anyway. Goku still has IT and is a better martial artist. Vegeta says could beat Dabura, and Goku was equal to Vegeta even after Vegeta … Vegeta even killed him before the fight started lol. @galvador: 1. ABC logic in those situations doesnt really work. That logic actually ties into the Spirit Bomb fairly well. Goku would win easily even Vegeta admitted it. We've actually seen far more training and fighting from Goku from the time he was a small child. And I do very much agree with your last point actually. It's a part of his power set, like a transformation into a super saiyan. The most talked about VS battle of all time finally gets its day in the sun on this show. if they are equal in power, only determination and techniques will decide the winner. In terms of power I would say they are more or less the same....though Gooku displyed more skills in combat. A single Kamehameha would not defeat Wolverine as he's been blasted by … Goku admits both him and Vegeta would be killed by him...thus making gohan the strongest at that point, but then he slacked off.. How much sense does that make? Plus Goku has instant transmission. It was a 4v1. he left them spank him for a while), specially in such a casual spare with someone that Kai freak out about not getting him nervous, so yeah, Vegeta managing to score a few punches on a surprised Bills, while Goku in that particular situation didnt is no proof of anything. Vegeta doesn't have a technique Goku can't similarly perform. Little off topic but Gohan is most likely stronger than goku. I brought up Toriyama because he was an integral part of BotG and obviously knew that Vegeta would be outclassing Goku in his fight against Bills. there is a big difference between fights in Dragonball and Dragonball Z. in Dragonball we couldn't tell who would win, the fight was always full of suprises, new techniques, and strategies, i really enjoyed watching those fights. Bills is by definition a god level being able to obliterate the much more powerful Super Saiyan 3 form in one finger flick and one karate chop. He also seems to be better at energy conservation, as he was the first to discover the Full Power Super Saiyan form. 1 decade ago. Demonstrative or not, we both know that is extremely out of character for Goku to hold back on an 'interesting' opponent, and opponent who can really test his skills. Vegeta allowed himself to succumb to the majin and Goku was dead. The fight would have went either way if Goku didn't have instant transmission. @omnicrono: He did, he fought Bills as a SSJ2 whereas SSJ3 Goku didn't really do much of anything to Bills when he fought him. Vegeta didnt even look SSJ2 (although Goku didnt had any lightning when he transformed into SSJ2 as well, so is arguable). That is why he said it was technically a win. - Vegeta never had the special mentors like Goku did over the years of his fighting career besides his dad. How much of his power do you think he was using then? Then as majin vegeta, when he first reached super saiyan 2, he is much more powerful than super saiyan 2 gohan. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/toeis-press-release-for-upcoming-dragon-ball-z-movie/. His arrogance comes only to opponent he underestimate, by the time mentioned in OP, he already knows what Goku is capable of. Press question mark to learn … Goku ended up dying along with his brother Raditz in their battle, so it's debatable whether this would count as a win for Goku. As for the first fight during the Saiyan Saga.....that was the closest Vegeta has ever come IMO. In what way is Vegeta more "skilled" than Goku? Is that unfair? Gohan fell on him in his great ape form and that's what finally put vegeta out. 1.guys supporting vegeta must be blind and missguided..vegeta might have been in a lot more fights but goku is lot more wiser..vegeta has no tactic he just jumps in and gets beaten(vs cell, vs frieza), 2.goku is and always have been a lot stronger than vegeta(he was a ssj3 when he fought against majin vegeta, he just didnt transform to hurt the little bitches pride), 3.goku is the protagonist(no way in hell someone is stronger than him). If they were to have an equal fight, on equal ground, the writers would never let Vegeta win. I think he commented on it when he first went Super Saiyan 3. I would say in a even match, if one of the two individuals was amped and had more motivation to win the fight than that individual would be considered to have been on the losing end of the fight, Not exactly sure how Goku was amped, I certainly wouldn't consider being dead a amp, I don't believe it increases your power any, but we can both agree that Vegeta was and if Spopovich and Yamu are any indication, it was quite the amp. If we really love doing what we do, that sometimes gives better cope with new situations than straight, cold blooded problem solving analyze. That's why professional sports aren't stopped even if one team dominates the other. So, Goku really is the only one who had an unfair advantage in the fight. A Super Saiyan 3 Goku was completely outclassed and toyed with by Bills. Goku uses Instant Transmission to constantly teleport around Duplicate Vegeta and lands an attack on him, and starts turning the battle in his favor. See where i'm going with this? The fact that the OP has to equalize power just brings Goku down to Vegeta's level in power. Completely different situations that has happened in the past a few times (i.e. Much higher than base Gogeta. Honestly, I don't know who decided to ask this question, but I'll answer it anyway. Connect now. To the people debating about vegeta and goku at the end of the buu saga did vegeta not get a boost before the final fight due to dying? 2). The dual team has a speed advantage I believe and their power boosted forms would be a huge strain on Batman, and the longer Batman uses higher level strength in the suit the faster he dies. Vegeta (Sprit control) vs Goku UI omen who will win? 7.1 Fight! There would literally be nothing Goku and Vegeta could do against him. Vegeta has never beaten Goku? Beerus one shotted him while heavily suppressed. When Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, Goku survived as he was being sent to Earth. After BOG, Goku was said to be a 6 to Beerus's 10. Lv 7. 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